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« on: January 14, 2010, 07:57:43 PM » |
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USSF/USYSA have raised concerns over the PDL structure and perceived exclusivity.
Rather than approach this situation as the simple forced integration of the Washington Youth Soccer Premier leagues and the PDL – the opportunity is to “reinvent”
We are proposing the introduction of a Regional Club Charter, sanctioned directly by Washington Youth Soccer. Clubs with this charter (currently from the PDL) would participate in the Regional Club subcommittee of the Oversight Committee.
The principles are very aligned with the current approach of the PDL, including standards of conduct
The current PDL clubs will become “Regional Clubs”.
Initial membership would be the current PDL clubs; the PDL will gain a permanent voice.
A Regional Club subcommittee will be formed with 8 members from the PDL.
The Regional Club PDL subcommittee would control developmental policies and standards, ethics, governance structures/ requirements, to be reviewed and approved by the Oversight Committee.
A review will take place within the first 3 months of PDL subcommittee formation, with recommendations due to the Oversight Committee.
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2010, 08:08:56 PM » |
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nicely summed up.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 08:29:00 PM » |
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U forgot the part about totally and completely destroying any incentive for the RCL clubs to innovate, keep prices down and provide services efficiently now that the state has killed the marketplace by out and out designating certain clubs as preferred providers.
Wait, maybe they kept that part out of the Proposal.
My bad!
Is there any other system like this in the U.S.?
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2010, 10:50:07 PM » |
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Lefty, They have basically superimposed the PDL onto the state leagues, given the PDL-LC control over the state leagues, and mandated some the USSF's rumored best practices for younger kids. I would have thought that you would be cheering for it. U forgot the part about totally and completely destroying any incentive for the RCL clubs to innovate, keep prices down and provide services efficiently now that the state has killed the marketplace by out and out designating certain clubs as preferred providers.
Wait, maybe they kept that part out of the Proposal.
My bad!
Is there any other system like this in the U.S.?
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 11:28:58 PM » |
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EW I am too tired to figure it out. Where do Black HIlls PDL club and South Sound non PDL club in same area fit into this new master plan. Please explain.
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EWSoccer64
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2010, 12:08:35 AM » |
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EW I am too tired to figure it out. Where do Black HIlls PDL club and South Sound non PDL club in same area fit into this new master plan. Please explain.
Black Hills is PDL? I have to keep up better, I did not think that they were....... |
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2010, 12:26:20 AM » |
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USSF/USYSA is concerned that Washington State soccer parents my be confused with the proposals, the plans, the guide to the proposed plans, and the plan to dumb down the proposals in case anyone proposes a counter plan. They have therefore contracted the state's own boy wizard to prepare a set of seven easily understandable guides to lead you through the embarrassing mess that youth soccer has developed into in your state. These guides will be published under the titles:
Harry Duffer and the Sorcerors' Proposal.
Harry Duffer and the Chamber of Imbeciles
Harry Duffer and Prisoner of Arsekissing
Harry Duffer and the Knobstick Of Crossfire.
Harry Duffer and the Invoice of the Starfire.
Harry Duffer and the Half-Baked Plan.
Harry Duffer and the Deathly Silence of the Parents Who Sat Around And Let It Happen.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2010, 12:40:28 AM » |
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EW I am too tired to figure it out. Where do Black HIlls PDL club and South Sound non PDL club in same area fit into this new master plan. Please explain.
Black Hills would play RCL, South Sound State Open League (unless teams play PSPL, which I think some do?) Format of the State Open League TBD, although at least a few higher-level statewide divisions, plus some geographically based ones a la the district leagues, seems a reasonable bet. Over the next 3 years, the parent associations encouraged/incentivized/forced (pick one, most would pick option three) to merge and hit the magic number for the combined association to continue to qualify for an RCL club in the area. The combined numbers are just a shade under 4000. Adding Foothills would put a merged association over the top for sure. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 01:04:18 AM » |
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nicely summed up.
EW, You should sign up for the oversight committee. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 01:09:50 AM » |
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FRS, Would you be available to be hired as the new WSYSA State Director of Communications? The post, before Doug's recent reforms, used to include an automatic berth onto ODP for all the Director's children. Perhaps we could get the Prez to grandfather your kids in, just as a sweetener? USSF/USYSA is concerned that Washington State soccer parents my be confused with the proposals, the plans, the guide to the proposed plans, and the plan to dumb down the proposals in case anyone proposes a counter plan. They have therefore contracted the state's own boy wizard to prepare a set of seven easily understandable guides to lead you through the embarrassing mess that youth soccer has developed into in your state. These guides will be published under the titles:
Harry Duffer and the Sorcerors' Proposal.
Harry Duffer and the Chamber of Imbeciles
Harry Duffer and Prisoner of Arsekissing
Harry Duffer and the Knobstick Of Crossfire.
Harry Duffer and the Invoice of the Starfire.
Harry Duffer and the Half-Baked Plan.
Harry Duffer and the Deathly Silence of the Parents Who Sat Around And Let It Happen.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 01:10:51 AM » |
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nicely summed up.
EW, You should sign up for the oversight committee. Don't I piss off enough people as it is?  You want me to go out and spread my "aura of ill will" over the entire state? |
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 12:33:55 PM » |
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Lefty, They have basically superimposed the PDL onto the state leagues, given the PDL-LC control over the state leagues, and mandated some the USSF's rumored best practices for younger kids. I would have thought that you would be cheering for it. U forgot the part about totally and completely destroying any incentive for the RCL clubs to innovate, keep prices down and provide services efficiently now that the state has killed the marketplace by out and out designating certain clubs as preferred providers.
Wait, maybe they kept that part out of the Proposal.
My bad!
Is there any other system like this in the U.S.?
I seriously don't see where you get that EW. There is a huge difference between 1) allowing some clubs to form a league, which any group of clubs could do and/or allowing any club who wants to get in the "I'm a premier club" mix whatever league they play in and 2) Annointing whatever group of clubs are at the top of the marketplace at some particular time as the Premier clubs in the state, and erecting huge barriers of entry into that state org anointed few. Imagine that I and 20 of my best friends all run Youth Soccer Crack Dispenseries selling very high quality youth soccer crack to parents. We get together and decide to form the Federated Youth Sports Crack League with a common marketing campaign and the state says its ok because anyone else can do it and it's not stifling competition. No biggee in my book. Now suppose that the state steps in and says that the Federated Youth Sports Crack league is now the premier group of soccer crack dealers and anyone who wants into the newly minted state designated cartel can only join if the cartel members say they can - lol. Further more, let us say that the state's official policy is that, while you may get your Youth Soccer Crack at other locations, it's inferior crack unless you get it from the state sponsored crack dealers. WTF - you've just killed every incentive to keep costs down or continue to give better and better service. The new Youth Soccer Crack Cartel will quickly start cutting their product and increasing costs. You will start seeing CPs on the street corners begging "Need Soccer Crack, Please Help God bless" because prices are so high and they just have to have the BEST soccer crack with the WSYSA seal of approval on it. I imagine that the WYSA vetted this whole thing with the USYSA or whatever national org before implementing it. If not, it would seem to be 10X worse than just allowing some clubs to form a league and allowing other clubs to do the same. You are correct EW. The monied interests have now gained control of the lucrative end of youth soccer in this state in obvious collusion at the state level. I hope everyone who had a problem with the state allowing clubs to form leagues and put pressure on the state to halt a practice that goes on nationwide is happy now. AND another thing. Anybody else find it odd that the proposal says that this is all being done by the state to promote the development of the individual player and not a team or club but then they pick the clubs that have had the most team and club success in terms of wins and losses. Absolutely laughable. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 02:08:29 PM » |
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U forgot the part about totally and completely destroying any incentive for the RCL clubs to innovate, keep prices down and provide services efficiently now that the state has killed the marketplace by out and out designating certain clubs as preferred providers.
Wait, maybe they kept that part out of the Proposal.
My bad!
Is there any other system like this in the U.S.?
No, not in the U.S. they have laws against collusion and cartels.  |
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 02:37:00 PM » |
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U forgot the part about totally and completely destroying any incentive for the RCL clubs to innovate, keep prices down and provide services efficiently now that the state has killed the marketplace by out and out designating certain clubs as preferred providers.
Wait, maybe they kept that part out of the Proposal.
My bad!
Is there any other system like this in the U.S.?
No, not in the U.S. they have laws against collusion and cartels. Come now ... whats wrong with an organization restricting the number of teams within a geographic market ... Major League Baseball does it. Oops ... Major League Baseball has an anti-trust exception by Congress don't they. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2010, 03:09:28 PM » |
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U forgot the part about totally and completely destroying any incentive for the RCL clubs to innovate, keep prices down and provide services efficiently now that the state has killed the marketplace by out and out designating certain clubs as preferred providers.
Wait, maybe they kept that part out of the Proposal.
My bad!
Is there any other system like this in the U.S.?
No, not in the U.S. they have laws against collusion and cartels. That did not stop the PDL, which was all of the above. |
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