Emerald City FC: storied club now on the outside looking in

[sounderfan]

I have been wanting to post a story / recap / position on Seattle United - Emerald City issues for quite some time. The subject is so full of details, twists, turns and politics that I couldn't really get my head around it.

Today we talked with "Coach X," who was willing to give it a try, and sort out some of what has gone on in the last few years.

Coach X talks to us here:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-413-Seattle-Soccer-Examiner~y2010m3d9-Emerald-City-FC-storied-club-now-on-the-outside-looking-in

Morally and ethically SYSA, which represents the interests of the entire soccer community within its boundaries, made the decision that the SU model would be better for all its kids.   ECFC leadership made the decision that their continued existence would be better for all the current ECFC kids.  Both may well be correct, It boils down to the case of the greatest good for the greatest number.  And SYSA won.

[jjj]

holy moly,
To me this article seems to have been written by a hall of fame poster from this very website.

jjj

[Soccer Freak]

holy moly,
To me this article seems to have been written by a hall of fame poster from this very website.

jjj

Not seeing "fair and Balanced"    reporting in this article

[confucious]

I suggest that the reporter also interview Coach Y for a different perspective. The article was not 100% factually correct, although I appreciated that it wasn't the normal inflammatory stuff.

His reporting hasn't been fair and balanced on the issue to date. Now is a wonderful opportunity to do so.

[EWSoccer64]

I suggest that the reporter also interview Coach Y for a different perspective. The article was not 100% factually correct, although I appreciated that it wasn't the normal inflammatory stuff.

His reporting hasn't been fair and balanced on the issue to date. Now is a wonderful opportunity to do so.

I will agree with "confucious" this much.  A different, non-ECFC perspective is warrented.   
Items that one can take exception with:

1)  The WSYSA specifically declared that the SYSA e-mail in question was allowed, ergo not prohibited recruiting.  So the only bad e-mails on record are from the ECFC side.
2)  No mention was made of the illegal academy that Doc the Liar conducted on behalf of ECFC.  (and he is a board member, isn't he confucious?)
3)  The WSYSA released the complaint against ECFC about their finances, said complaint which was never fully resolved.
4)  None of the damning statements by Bobby Howe and others were quoted.   Such quotes would have shown the ECFC key leadership for what it is.
5)  No mention was made on how ECFC was cheated into the top PDL division.   Here was a golden opportunity to show the PDL and ECFC leadership for exactly what it was.   Totally missed.
6)  It was not illustrated how the USSF Region IV utterly rejected the ECFC appeal, with absolute disdain.  They would not even take your money, confucious!  That is how worthless the ECFC appeal was.
7)  Nothing was talked about in terms of the ECFC financial plan of taking the best select kids off their teams in Seattle and sticking them on B and C tteams to help finance the A teams of ECFC and the bar tabs of the ADocs....
  Here was a Golden Opportunity to lay the facts out for everyone in the state to learn about the perfidity of ECFC and it was totally wasted!
9)  Plus, there was not nearly enough on the PDL and nothing on the RCL.

Argh!  Such a wasted opportunity.   Coach X must be an ECFC apologist.

[sounderfan]

I suggest that the reporter also interview Coach Y for a different perspective. The article was not 100% factually correct, although I appreciated that it wasn't the normal inflammatory stuff.

His reporting hasn't been fair and balanced on the issue to date. Now is a wonderful opportunity to do so.

Cowboy up:   goalseattle@gmail.com

So far, no one from ECFC, including Bobby Howe, has been willing to talk. If you know someone who will, send them my email address.

"Fair and balanced?' LOL. It was an interview, and I let Coach X speak. Perhaps you missed the part where I just asked the questions.   

[aee9488]

Sounderfan,

Great work.

As an ECFC parent, I've been hungry for this sort of summary and analysis.  I appreciate that this was an interview... and I also appreciate that it seems relatively objective.  I've found the vitriol around this issue to be disconcerting. Thanks for providing space for a less emotional discussion.

Thanks and please keep up the good work.

[SoccerFlicks]

From the story:

"We are bigger, better, have coaches with X,Y, Z licenses who are paid, can do more for the players and have our own soccer complexes,  So all the little teams and clubs should send their best players to us,"  versus "All you want to do is keep raping our teams and stealing our top players so that our teams and clubs can never reach the higher levels.  Then you look down on us."   

The topics in the quote seems to be going on up north in District 1 North County and beyond.  These issues might be further along in the battle where Seattle United/ECFC is concerned, but North County is not far behind with squabbles and player hopping taking place.  Smaller clubs keep choice/variety in the mix.  Club monopolization should not be allowed to steam roll competition - which is what sounds like is happening in Seattle and is hinted at in the North County area.

[Fab]

First, Sounderfan has the responsibility to ask more challenging and penetrating questions, to probe Coach X's position and his clear bias toward SU. Sounderfan failed to be balanced in his questions, and thus gave Coach X a free forum to advocate for SU. Second, Coach X is no outsider looking in, another falsehood. It is clear that he is an SU coach salivating at the chance to pluck ECFC players.

While Sounderfan is a messenger and should not be castigated for running the interview of Coach X, it is abundantly clear he has no journalism skills and no ability to analyze propaganda from fact -- something he shares in abundance with EW--a propagndist of the highest order!

I'm no ECFC apologist, but the free ride SU has been given by the Seattle Soccer Examiner, as if it were this White Knight motivated solely of doing what's right, is preposterous. Sounderfan you should have just intereviewed EW -- at least he is more eloquent on his good days. But you would have to examine EW's motives, and that requires journalism skills.

What you would find curious about EW is why does he spend so much time slandering ECFC and energetically promoting SU? Why does a man from Eastern Washington have so much inside information about the SU v ECFC process? Why does he seem to nearly parrot the SU script? Why does he have such a chip on his shoulder about Bobby Howe ( who he routinely slanders) and ECFC when theoretically he should have no dog in this fight?

You need to find out, cub reporter, if EW is on the take. Or if something else is bugging him about ECFC. Did Bobby Howe flunk him on a D course? I mean, come on Sounderfan, show your cojones if you want to be a real reporter, and find out why EW spends SO MUCH time trashing and slandering ECFC.

Note to cub reporter from editor: here's a clue -- it's not normal. Go check it out.

In the meantime, cub reporter polish your interviewing skills. A Q&A doesn't mean you give anyone free license to push their agenda. A real interview is about questioning the point of view, challenging the bias and trying to paint a complete picture.

Again note to cub reporter:  Anyone who is close to the SU v ECFC controversy  knows there are questionable motives behind the SU individuals. SU is no cleaner, no better than ECFC. The real story is neither is worthy of running premier soccer in Seattle. If that is not abundantly clear to everyone, then I've got land in Florida to sell you. It's cheap, really, and it's right on the water. But send me the check first and I'll give you the address.

Sounderfan, if you want to be a journalist, do your legwork. Otherwise, post the SU propaganda on your web site as an advertisement and charge them for it. At least that is being journalistically honest.

[EWSoccer64]

>>>>What you would find curious about EW is why does he spend so much time slandering ECFC and energetically promoting SU? Why does a man from Eastern Washington have so much inside information about the SU v ECFC process? Why does he seem to nearly parrot the SU script? Why does he have such a chip on his shoulder about Bobby Howe ( who he routinely slanders) and ECFC when theoretically he should have no dog in this fight?

You need to find out, cub reporter, if EW is on the take. Or if something else is bugging him about ECFC. Did Bobby Howe flunk him on a D course? I mean, come on Sounderfan, show your cojones if you want to be a real reporter, and find out why EW spends SO MUCH time trashing and slandering ECFC.
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Wow, Fab, sounds like you got a dose of bad news this past week, eh?   
Now, As I have made clear, I do not personally like the SU "One Big Club" model.   However, that is for the SYSA to decide.  It is their right to do so.  Far be for me in Eastern Washington to decide what an association on the other side of the state should do democratically to benefit their kids.
Slandering ECFC?   Please show whwere I have done so.   So far the only conclusions/facts that I have stated about ECFC that have not been proven to be true are still clouded a bit, but the clouds are clearing and its looks like I was provenable correct there too.
Why is the SU vs ECFC debate interesting?   The state sees SU as a model for other associations and clubs for the future.   That means everyone in the entire state should pay close attention to see how it goes, what they do right and what they do wrong.
As far routinely slandering Bobbie Howe, I invite you to show some evidence.  I make statements about him that are true, or I express my opinion about his morals.

And no, I am not on the take.  And I have no dog in the fight.

and as to why
"EW spends SO MUCH time trashing and slandering ECFC"?   Again, I do not slander ECFC.  It has been ECFC deliberately misleading people, particularly its own membership.   I just think that someone has to try to uphold morality and integrity in youth soccer.   The baldfaced, cheating, corrupt, unethical way that ECFC got Bobby's cronies in the PDL-LC to move ECFC from 3rd division to 1st division is absolutely unforegiveable.   It permanently damaged the creditability of the PDL, wounded the stature of others on the committee, and made all citizens who care about what is right and proper to despise Bobbie Howe and the ECFC leadership who benefitted from this corruption.   Besides, it is fun to mock people like Doc the Liar and expose them for what they are.   Has he started slooking for another job yet?   He is certainly qualified to be the new spokesman for North Korea or Iran, he did such a sterling job for ECFC.   

[sounderfan]

I have always been honest. In fact, SO HONEST that I am willing to post my name (David Falk) at Examiner and make it clear that I am 'sounderfan' over here.

Your name? Thought so.  

You think these questions are biased? I thought they allowed Coach X to take them either way...in support of ECFC, or SU. Depeding on what Coach X has observe / believes.
 
1. How would you describe / recap the Emerald City FC - SYSA 'issues' that have surfaced over the last few years?

2. Washington Youth Soccer has recently ruled in favor of SYSA's right to have final say over select / elite club status. Is this the correct ruling? How does it affect ECFC?

3. How would you characterize the handling of these issues by ECFC / Bobby Howe? How would you characterize the Seattle United 'movement?'

4. Where do things stand right now for ECFC, and what might be next for them?

[Left Foot]

Sounderfan -- good job on the interview. Ignore these dopes who are trashing you. . You asked questions, the source answered. You've offered to have others tell their side but they won't. Don't forget that these folks sit and watch Fox so-called fair and balanced interviews all day long and nod their heads in agreement because--- well --- they agree with the opinions being presented. 

Good on ya mate!

[Jack Straw]

First, Sounderfan has the responsibility to ask more challenging and penetrating questions, to probe Coach X's position and his clear bias toward SU. Sounderfan failed to be balanced in his questions, and thus gave Coach X a free forum to advocate for SU. Second, Coach X is no outsider looking in, another falsehood. It is clear that he is an SU coach salivating at the chance to pluck ECFC players.

While Sounderfan is a messenger and should not be castigated for running the interview of Coach X, it is abundantly clear he has no journalism skills and no ability to analyze propaganda from fact -- something he shares in abundance with EW--a propagndist of the highest order!

I'm no ECFC apologist, but the free ride SU has been given by the Seattle Soccer Examiner, as if it were this White Knight motivated solely of doing what's right, is preposterous. Sounderfan you should have just intereviewed EW -- at least he is more eloquent on his good days. But you would have to examine EW's motives, and that requires journalism skills.

What you would find curious about EW is why does he spend so much time slandering ECFC and energetically promoting SU? Why does a man from Eastern Washington have so much inside information about the SU v ECFC process? Why does he seem to nearly parrot the SU script? Why does he have such a chip on his shoulder about Bobby Howe ( who he routinely slanders) and ECFC when theoretically he should have no dog in this fight?

You need to find out, cub reporter, if EW is on the take. Or if something else is bugging him about ECFC. Did Bobby Howe flunk him on a D course? I mean, come on Sounderfan, show your cojones if you want to be a real reporter, and find out why EW spends SO MUCH time trashing and slandering ECFC.

Note to cub reporter from editor: here's a clue -- it's not normal. Go check it out.

In the meantime, cub reporter polish your interviewing skills. A Q&A doesn't mean you give anyone free license to push their agenda. A real interview is about questioning the point of view, challenging the bias and trying to paint a complete picture.

Again note to cub reporter:  Anyone who is close to the SU v ECFC controversy  knows there are questionable motives behind the SU individuals. SU is no cleaner, no better than ECFC. The real story is neither is worthy of running premier soccer in Seattle. If that is not abundantly clear to everyone, then I've got land in Florida to sell you. It's cheap, really, and it's right on the water. But send me the check first and I'll give you the address.

Sounderfan, if you want to be a journalist, do your legwork. Otherwise, post the SU propaganda on your web site as an advertisement and charge them for it. At least that is being journalistically honest.

Right On Fab! Thanks for finally saying on this heavily slanted SU forum what the silent majority thinks: In this SU vs ECFC fiasco the adults have acted like children and the kids play the price and both sides are equally at fault.

As Fab noted SU is no cleaner then ECFC and neither is worthy of running soccer in Seattle but we have to play the cards that are dealt. I favor ECFC because of their established history of quality but I don't really care which one my DD plays for. I just hope her ECFC team somehow stays together for either one but both sides are being so stupid and stubborn one of the best teams and soccer clubs in the State may just go poof and my DD may do other things next year.

As for EW, he's obviously is not in Eastern Washington and is part of SU. She must have had her feelings hurt by BH and has held a grudge ever since. He is entertaing but I wish a knowledgable ECFC person would post here more often but I guess they all have a life, at least for a little longer.

SounderFan thanks for the Soccer Examiner article. It may be biased towards SU but it was still a pretty good summary of the sad soccer situation  in Seattle.

[The Doc]

Wow, Fab, sounds like you got a dose of bad news this past week, eh?   
Now, As I have made clear, I do not personally like the SU "One Big Club" model.   However, that is for the SYSA to decide.  It is their right to do so.  Far be for me in Eastern Washington to decide what an association on the other side of the state should do democratically to benefit their kids.
Slandering ECFC?   Please show whwere I have done so.   So far the only conclusions/facts that I have stated about ECFC that have not been proven to be true are still clouded a bit, but the clouds are clearing and its looks like I was provenable correct there too.
Why is the SU vs ECFC debate interesting?   The state sees SU as a model for other associations and clubs for the future.   That means everyone in the entire state should pay close attention to see how it goes, what they do right and what they do wrong.
As far routinely slandering Bobbie Howe, I invite you to show some evidence.  I make statements about him that are true, or I express my opinion about his morals.

And no, I am not on the take.  And I have no dog in the fight.

and as to why
"EW spends SO MUCH time trashing and slandering ECFC"?   Again, I do not slander ECFC.  It has been ECFC deliberately misleading people, particularly its own membership.   I just think that someone has to try to uphold morality and integrity in youth soccer.   The baldfaced, cheating, corrupt, unethical way that ECFC got Bobby's cronies in the PDL-LC to move ECFC from 3rd division to 1st division is absolutely unforegiveable.   It permanently damaged the creditability of the PDL, wounded the stature of others on the committee, and made all citizens who care about what is right and proper to despise Bobbie Howe and the ECFC leadership who benefitted from this corruption.   Besides, it is fun to mock people like Doc the Liar and expose them for what they are.   Has he started slooking for another job yet?   He is certainly qualified to be the new spokesman for North Korea or Iran, he did such a sterling job for ECFC.   


haha and here we have it again... at least you are consistent if nothing else. The irony of responding with something that simply proves the OP to be 100% correct in their judgment  

In response to your other ramblings, was it not you who made a very bold claim of being circa $80k in the red prior to an audit? lol i seem to think the independent findings suggesting something otherwise, oh thats right, ECFC owned the audit company and they did what they were told like good boys haha  : Was it not you who has claimed the ECFC board are/were 'criminals' and made numerous claims of 'slush funds' and 'embezzlement'?  lol nahhhh you are right, those are factual statements.. infact i am writing this from our monthly board meeting retreat in the Caribbean  

All it boils down to is the fact you are using a political hotbed as a vehicle through which to shovel your own personal grievances as proven by your highlighted response. This must be the 100th time you have brought it up, this along with the whole "Howe and Schumacher destroyed ODP.... 8% claims" etc... The sad part is you sometimes come up with interesting points, however, its lost in all your emotive and irrational rhetoric which highlights your scorned and 'betrayed' mantra which is clouding your judgment.

As for mocking me? haha now that is amusing Scott, remember no matter how many times you say something to yourself, no matter how much you attempt to convince yourself it is true......... doesn't make it so  

Perhaps you should spend your time more productively and rewrite psychology and physiology text books and make taking PK's a 'Reaction' lol ..... your ignorance knows no bounds other than your own arrogance.

As suggested previously, Soccer is a simple game complicated by idiots. Welcome to the Village  

[EWSoccer64]

>As for EW, he's obviously is not in Eastern Washington and is part of SU. She must have had her feelings hurt by BH and has held a grudge ever since. He is entertaing but I wish a knowledgable ECFC person would post here more often but I guess they all have a life, at least for a little longer.
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Err, Jack, EW64  had HIS picture posted up here in WPS land.   Taken while He was coaching His team from Eastern Washington, in Eastern Washington.

[EWSoccer64]

Ah, being unemployed gives you more opportunity to reply, eh Doc the Liar?

Let's see - if ECFC had clean books, why did they reject the SU mandate that there had to be a certified audit of all the ECFC books done, with the auditor being chosen by SU, before any merger could take place?   Sooner or later, the clouds regarding the ECFC books will clear up.....  Cannot wait for the day!

It is interesting that you continue to be embaressed by the actions of Howe, ECFC and Schumacher after earlier dismissing the ECFC cheating its way into 6th place at the same time the top sixth placed clubs got special status.   Earlier you laughed at it, and claimed that it did not matter, it was history.  Well, so is ECFC or so it seems.   So just laugh and walk away.   

Let us know how that job search is coming along, Doc the Liar......

Wow, Fab, sounds like you got a dose of bad news this past week, eh?   
Now, As I have made clear, I do not personally like the SU "One Big Club" model.   However, that is for the SYSA to decide.  It is their right to do so.  Far be for me in Eastern Washington to decide what an association on the other side of the state should do democratically to benefit their kids.
Slandering ECFC?   Please show whwere I have done so.   So far the only conclusions/facts that I have stated about ECFC that have not been proven to be true are still clouded a bit, but the clouds are clearing and its looks like I was provenable correct there too.
Why is the SU vs ECFC debate interesting?   The state sees SU as a model for other associations and clubs for the future.   That means everyone in the entire state should pay close attention to see how it goes, what they do right and what they do wrong.
As far routinely slandering Bobbie Howe, I invite you to show some evidence.  I make statements about him that are true, or I express my opinion about his morals.

And no, I am not on the take.  And I have no dog in the fight.

and as to why
"EW spends SO MUCH time trashing and slandering ECFC"?   Again, I do not slander ECFC.  It has been ECFC deliberately misleading people, particularly its own membership.   I just think that someone has to try to uphold morality and integrity in youth soccer.   The baldfaced, cheating, corrupt, unethical way that ECFC got Bobby's cronies in the PDL-LC to move ECFC from 3rd division to 1st division is absolutely unforegiveable.   It permanently damaged the creditability of the PDL, wounded the stature of others on the committee, and made all citizens who care about what is right and proper to despise Bobbie Howe and the ECFC leadership who benefitted from this corruption.   Besides, it is fun to mock people like Doc the Liar and expose them for what they are.   Has he started slooking for another job yet?   He is certainly qualified to be the new spokesman for North Korea or Iran, he did such a sterling job for ECFC.   


haha and here we have it again... at least you are consistent if nothing else. The irony of responding with something that simply proves the OP to be 100% correct in their judgment  

In response to your other ramblings, was it not you who made a very bold claim of being circa $80k in the red prior to an audit? lol i seem to think the independent findings suggesting something otherwise, oh thats right, ECFC owned the audit company and they did what they were told like good boys haha  : Was it not you who has claimed the ECFC board are/were 'criminals' and made numerous claims of 'slush funds' and 'embezzlement'?  lol nahhhh you are right, those are factual statements.. infact i am writing this from our monthly board meeting retreat in the Caribbean  

All it boils down to is the fact you are using a political hotbed as a vehicle through which to shovel your own personal grievances as proven by your highlighted response. This must be the 100th time you have brought it up, this along with the whole "Howe and Schumacher destroyed ODP.... 8% claims" etc... The sad part is you sometimes come up with interesting points, however, its lost in all your emotive and irrational rhetoric which highlights your scorned and 'betrayed' mantra which is clouding your judgment.

As for mocking me? haha now that is amusing Scott, remember no matter how many times you say something to yourself, no matter how much you attempt to convince yourself it is true......... doesn't make it so  

Perhaps you should spend your time more productively and rewrite psychology and physiology text books and make taking PK's a 'Reaction' lol ..... your ignorance knows no bounds other than your own arrogance.

As suggested previously, Soccer is a simple game complicated by idiots. Welcome to the Village  

[confucious]

The most trustworthy person on the ECFC board this past year has been the new treasurer. He has made significant changes in internal processes, accountability, and policies.

If SU was so concerned about the ECFC books after last year's audit and release of the financials and the management report - something most organizations so not release, much less post on their web sites - then it should have asked for an INDEPENDENT audit. Do you really believe that in this environment of mistrust and misinformation that an SU-selected auditor would be independent? Why not ask for an independent auditor that was acceptable to both parties?

[EWSoccer64]

The most trustworthy person on the ECFC board this past year has been the new treasurer. He has made significant changes in internal processes, accountability, and policies.

If SU was so concerned about the ECFC books after last year's audit and release of the financials and the management report - something most organizations so not release, much less post on their web sites - then it should have asked for an INDEPENDENT audit. Do you really believe that in this environment of mistrust and misinformation that an SU-selected auditor would be independent? Why not ask for an independent auditor that was acceptable to both parties?

why did not ECFC respond with such a suggestion?  If they were serious about negotiations?

[confucious]

Who said that they did not?

[The Doc]

Ah, being unemployed gives you more opportunity to reply, eh Doc the Liar?

Let's see - if ECFC had clean books, why did they reject the SU mandate that there had to be a certified audit of all the ECFC books done, with the auditor being chosen by SU, before any merger could take place?   Sooner or later, the clouds regarding the ECFC books will clear up.....  Cannot wait for the day!

It is interesting that you continue to be embaressed by the actions of Howe, ECFC and Schumacher after earlier dismissing the ECFC cheating its way into 6th place at the same time the top sixth placed clubs got special status.   Earlier you laughed at it, and claimed that it did not matter, it was history.  Well, so is ECFC or so it seems.   So just laugh and walk away.   

Let us know how that job search is coming along, Doc the Liar......

lol well i was expecting a little better, i guess my absence has dulled your senses....

So just to clarify, you accuse ECFC of hand picking its independent auditor and cherry picking its results i.e. doing what the client tells them (i think thats how you put it) yet in response to this accusation of a flawed process and alleged bias suggest that SU should hand pick their own financial party and ECFC hand over their money?? haha... I know you are a hardcore Republican (which is to be commended) but that is Gregoire tactics 'right thurrrr'. The books have been done, its been a none issue since the audit was released. You can attempt to find fault with it all you like, it is what it is. If you have concerns about it direct them to the company that performed the audit in the first place. The fact that nothing has happened post audit should suggest that others see it as a relative conclusion to the matter.

This is also based upon the notion that the issue of an independent audit was the deal breaker for the merger?! I suggest you run along to your SU bum chums and ask them for some more information to pass on, as you are making some fairly grandiose assumptions which quite frankly are laughable 

The reason SU wants to look at the books is so it can assess its financial status... and obviously pay off BH with ECFC's money lol  Of course SU want ECFC's money that's one of the benefits of a takeover, and the money ECFC has would go a long way to offset the costs of the start up. No one is blaming them for that, its standard practice for any start up. However, it is interesting to note that the state itself has already stated that the SU model as it stands is simply financially unsustainable.

Why would i be embarrassed about Howe or Schumacher? lol everyone is entitled to make their own choices, some you will like, some you will not. The whole debacle of moving teams here and there behind closed doors has been discussed many times, none of which has ever conclusively proven anything other than your conjectural arguments of clandestine dealings. Interestingly though on that topic, as has been previous stated on here... why is it the State is attempting to broker deals with the PDL to facilitate ECFC to move associations in exchange for SU gaining PDL status? Isn't this 'meetings behind closed doors' which you so willingly chastise the PDL for? Well it seems that its only 'evil' when it isn't dealing with you lol

As for the job hunt? Good coaches can get work anywhere, which i guess is probably one of the reasons your job choices are so restricted haha

Oh and as a final note, the PDL has not voted to 'accept' the RCL proposal, they have simply voted to continue / open negotiations in pursuit of a solution.

On a slight tangent, here is an interesting exert from the WYS letter to the PDL with reference to the SU ECFC debate...

"A significant objective of the Regional Club charter proposal is to eliminate the possibility of this type of drastic action in the future."

and..

Finally, we want to reinforce that this is precisely the type of situation we’re trying to avoid with the proposed Regional Club charter approach

So it would be logical to deduce that the state feels this entire movement is not in the best interests of the people it serves? interesting.....

[EWSoccer64]

As explained before, the synopsis that was released belatedly by ECFC included the line from the auditor that its report and findings were based entirely on information provided to them by ECFC.   In computerese, the term is "garbage in- garbage out."  That could be what applies here.

And no one stated that this was the core issue that prevented a merger.   It was just a minor example.
Isn't it lovely the way that everyone (including myself) talks about ECFC money vs SU money.  Really, it is the kids money, the families money.  Oh, and Bobby's money, of course.

>>>lol well i was expecting a little better, i guess my absence has dulled your senses....

So just to clarify, you accuse ECFC of hand picking its independent auditor and cherry picking its results i.e. doing what the client tells them (i think thats how you put it) yet in response to this accusation of a flawed process and alleged bias suggest that SU should hand pick their own financial party and ECFC hand over their money?? haha... I know you are a hardcore Republican (which is to be commended) but that is Gregoire tactics 'right thurrrr'. The books have been done, its been a none issue since the audit was released. You can attempt to find fault with it all you like, it is what it is. If you have concerns about it direct them to the company that performed the audit in the first place. The fact that nothing has happened post audit should suggest that others see it as a relative conclusion to the matter.

This is also based upon the notion that the issue of an independent audit was the deal breaker for the merger?! I suggest you run along to your SU bum chums and ask them for some more information to pass on, as you are making some fairly grandiose assumptions which quite frankly are laughable 

The reason SU wants to look at the books is so it can assess its financial status... and obviously pay off BH with ECFC's money lol  Of course SU want ECFC's money that's one of the benefits of a takeover, and the money ECFC has would go a long way to offset the costs of the start up. No one is blaming them for that, its standard practice for any start up. However, it is interesting to note that the state itself has already stated that the SU model as it stands is simply financially unsustainable.
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[The Doc]

It was a minor example you chose to focus upon because as previously stated, it fits with your own personal agenda with reference to ECFC's finances.. Ergo my synopsis of you using this political hotbed to shovel your own personal agenda is further reinforced by your selective attention. As said earlier.. Welcome to the Village 

[majorace]

Since we are on finances.....

1. Whatever  happened to the 50 some odd page report submitted by the former ECFC member to WSYSA detailing club operations?  Did WSYSA ever address that specifically or did they just let it fly so the whole SU/ECFC didn't get "more muddied" at the time?  Did the audit by ECFC get them off the hook for that? I saw the report and while it was certain to raise a few eyes, there was no egregious acts. Just the typical crazy management of youth soccer and the wallet was big. It certainly would have been interesting for ECFC members to see.  I just never really saw that blow up. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.

2. Does anyone in the know on ECFC know who the designate is for the club funds in their 501(c)(3) paperwork? Our club chose SYSA. If they did the same, they may want to change that now. Not that they are going to dissolve anytime soon.

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Great work, Sounderfan.,

I thought it was a good summary of what has taken place.
For Fair & Balanced maybe you could interview Tripleplay? Be careful though, all 3 of them may team up on you. Approach it as if you are interviewing Baghdad Bob.