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There is some speculation in the soccer community regarding what the compensation packages are for some employees at the state offices of Washington Youth Soccer. Here are the amounts for Terry Fischer CEO?ED and Gary White D?C
Terry Fischer ED/CEO
Date of Hire 06/2010
Original Base salary $108,000 annually
Benefits Fully funded family insurance package
Company Vehicle Pontiac G6
Annual expense account Approx $12,000
In January 2010 Fischer gave himself a $17,00o annual raise retroactive to June 1 2008
On June 1 2010 Fischer gave himself another $25,000 annual raise
Fischer is currently in the process of purchasing a new Lexus at the organizations expense for his use.
Gary White T/D Director of Coaching
Date of Hire 07/2009
Base Salary $95,000 Annually
Fully Funded Family Insurance Package
Company Purchased Audi TT
Expense Account Approximately $7,500 Annually
In addition to the above White just returned from a Washington Youth Soccer funded vacation to the U.K to take part in a C License course.
He is currently in Chicago Ill putting his Youth Soccer funded education to work generating additional personal income.
The state offices of Washington Youth Soccer are at best in chaos. Fischer's resume indicates he has no experience managing a youth soccer organization, or any organization for that matter. His lack of leadership and management abilities have created an extreme environment of chaos, distrust and discrimination within the organization's office's in Federal Way Several employees are actively pursuing filing lawsuits ranging from gender discrimination related to salaries and benefits, as well as unpaid overtime/comp time issues.
Sadly the Board of Directors of Washington Youth Soccer allow Fischer's abusive policies and inept leadership to continue, and in fact reward him for this behavior with obscene raises. It is unclear why they turn a blind eye, but when it is all said and done ignoring Fischer's ineptness and arrogance will cost Washington Youth Soccer dearly from a financial and credibility standpoint. These costs have the chance of dealing a fatal blow to an organization that many of us have given freely to support and establish over the years.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2010, 02:21:55 PM » |
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If TF's date of hire was 6/2010, how could he give himself a raise in January retroactive to 2008?
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2010, 02:43:18 PM » |
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Nor can the Executive Director "give himself a raise." Compensation is ultimately in the hands of the Board of Directors.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2010, 03:25:41 PM » |
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If TF's date of hire was 6/2010, how could he give himself a raise in January retroactive to 2008?
Typo that should read 2009. |
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2010, 03:30:00 PM » |
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If TF's date of hire was 6/2010, how could he give himself a raise in January retroactive to 2008?
Typo that should read 2009. Even still, how can a salary be retroactive back to Jan 2008 or Jan 2009, if you didn't get hired until June 2009? Fly are you trying to stir the pot?  |
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2010, 04:28:06 PM » |
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Who are the board of directors ?
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2010, 04:57:14 PM » |
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Who are the board of directors ?
Washington Youth Soccer Board of Directors Bill Hurme Board Member - 3 yr term Charles (Chuck) Porter Board Member- Elected May 15, 2010 Doug Andreassen President statepresident@wsysa.com Exequiel Soltero Board Member- Elected May 15, 2010 Jan Phillips Board Member Larry Mana'o Vice President Mark Schuur Board Member - Elected May 15, 2010 Steve Scranton Board Member Sylvia Young Board Member- Elected May 15, 2010 Tom Ament Board Member Troy Maxcy Secretary William Nuttall Board Member - 3 yr term George Maitland Treasurer |
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 06:46:22 PM » |
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Even still, how can a salary be retroactive back to Jan 2008 or Jan 2009, if you didn't get hired until June 2009? Fly are you trying to stir the pot? The one with the biggest hand in the pot-o-gold is Terry Fisher. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 07:28:31 PM » |
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How much did the ED and State DOC make before these folks were hired?
Did they get cars and health benefits as well or are these perks new?
Is what Soccer Wonk pointed out true i.e. that the board has to ok any pay increases?
What is the source for this info?
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 09:52:57 PM » |
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If TF's date of hire was 6/2010, how could he give himself a raise in January retroactive to 2008?
Typo that should read 2009. Even still, how can a salary be retroactive back to Jan 2008 or Jan 2009, if you didn't get hired until June 2009? Fly are you trying to stir the pot? The answer to the former would be to ask the Board. As to the latter.....No I just think that what Fischer and company are up to borders on criminal and that someone should demand some answers from the board that is charged with the oversight of these guys. The only ax I have to grind is that the kids could be receiving much netter value for their money. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2010, 10:42:26 PM » |
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How much did the ED and State DOC make before these folks were hired?
Did they get cars and health benefits as well or are these perks new?
Is what Soccer Wonk pointed out true i.e. that the board has to ok any pay increases?
What is the source for this info?
Lefty, already posted on another thread.... (Top Salary = Salary + Benefits) California Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 6,288,925 Year 2008 Top Salary: $ 84,000 Karl Dewzien Oregon Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 2,326,031 Year 2008 Top Salary: $ 71,596 James Conway Washington Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 2,729,699 Year 2007 Top Salary: $ 66,649 David Schumacher Idaho Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 471,977 Year 2009 Top Salary: $ 38,163 Steve Adlard Hawaii Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 756,922 Year 2009 Top Salary: $ 0 Scott Keopuhiwa Kudos to Hawaii being an all volunteer organization!! |
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2010, 08:49:39 AM » |
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Who are the board of directors ?
Washington Youth Soccer Board of Directors Bill Hurme Board Member - 3 yr term Charles (Chuck) Porter Board Member- Elected May 15, 2010 Doug Andreassen President statepresident@wsysa.com Exequiel Soltero Board Member- Elected May 15, 2010 Jan Phillips Board Member Larry Mana'o Vice President Mark Schuur Board Member - Elected May 15, 2010 Steve Scranton Board Member Sylvia Young Board Member- Elected May 15, 2010 Tom Ament Board Member Troy Maxcy Secretary William Nuttall Board Member - 3 yr term George Maitland Treasurer Is Bill Hurme the President of TeamBuilder or a different Bill? |
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 09:37:46 AM » |
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LOL you gota love this shit What the hell do you guys exspect! you put such values of education resumays YOU all skip hard work and integrity honesty
To many of you asume a collage graduate with a harvard yale or any other name you all love to DROP is not any better at running any thing
I have a buddy that gratuated from harvard and is one dumd mother F-er when it comes to common sence! He consistaly over pays for every thing becouse he fails to do his homework I love it Hes tells me he does not need to do his home work becouse the guys he works for over pay him for what he does WE use to laff about it TIll he lost that job and has no savings !
told him about youth soccer becouse you people are so impresed by the bullshit that you would probly hire him to un one of your clubs!And pay him to much! He seemed intrested!
I talked to his dad the other day and his dad told me he never thought that education would be one that would cost him more to day than 19 years ago !
Hes still unemployed!
And my high scholl educaded ass is still working and not borrowing money from daddy!
You ass clowns need to put a preimume on good work and not that bullship paper that helps you feel better about hireing the wrong people!
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2010, 09:39:30 AM » |
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There is some speculation in the soccer community regarding what the compensation packages are for some employees at the state offices of Washington Youth Soccer. Here are the amounts for Terry Fischer CEO?ED and Gary White D?C
Terry Fischer ED/CEO
Date of Hire 06/2010
Original Base salary $108,000 annually
Benefits Fully funded family insurance package
Company Vehicle Pontiac G6
Annual expense account Approx $12,000
In January 2010 Fischer gave himself a $17,00o annual raise retroactive to June 1 2008
On June 1 2010 Fischer gave himself another $25,000 annual raise
Fischer is currently in the process of purchasing a new Lexus at the organizations expense for his use.
Gary White T/D Director of Coaching
Date of Hire 07/2009
Base Salary $95,000 Annually
Fully Funded Family Insurance Package
Company Purchased Audi TT
Expense Account Approximately $7,500 Annually
In addition to the above White just returned from a Washington Youth Soccer funded vacation to the U.K to take part in a C License course.
He is currently in Chicago Ill putting his Youth Soccer funded education to work generating additional personal income.
The state offices of Washington Youth Soccer are at best in chaos. Fischer's resume indicates he has no experience managing a youth soccer organization, or any organization for that matter. His lack of leadership and management abilities have created an extreme environment of chaos, distrust and discrimination within the organization's office's in Federal Way Several employees are actively pursuing filing lawsuits ranging from gender discrimination related to salaries and benefits, as well as unpaid overtime/comp time issues.
Sadly the Board of Directors of Washington Youth Soccer allow Fischer's abusive policies and inept leadership to continue, and in fact reward him for this behavior with obscene raises. It is unclear why they turn a blind eye, but when it is all said and done ignoring Fischer's ineptness and arrogance will cost Washington Youth Soccer dearly from a financial and credibility standpoint. These costs have the chance of dealing a fatal blow to an organization that many of us have given freely to support and establish over the years.
I know this is a lot of money and personally for what they truly do they are way overpaid, but if you look at just single clubs and the easy example is crossfire. Their main guy as listed in their tax returns and my numbers are not exact because i don't feel like looking them up again but they are very close. C Bateman made like 75,000 + another 10-15 in expenses...so 90,000 + or _ a penny or so as a club guy and this does not include salaries of the DOC, Technical guy, or the other really high paid coaches in their one premier club. Lets face it ...there are tons of overpaid people in our PAY TO PLAY system and it makes me sick, but parents don't mind paying so that's life. I feel better about somebody running the entire system for the state making those $$$$ than someone in a single club, but personally think it's all turned into a high $$$$ mess that parents don't really care paying for...so shame on them. |
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2010, 09:54:40 AM » |
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Good people cost money, I am not saying these folks are good employees, but good ones take $$ to hire and keep. This kind of discussion can drive quality folks away from your programs, and make it impossible to acquire new ones. Be careful.
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2010, 10:20:24 AM » |
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Good people cost money, I am not saying these folks are good employees, but good ones take $$ to hire and keep. This kind of discussion can drive quality folks away from your programs, and make it impossible to acquire new ones. Be careful.
Good people cost money..... i heard this same stuff years before our economic crash. Good people deserve a decent salary, the days of demanding high dollars are over, there are hundreds of thousands of great people unemployed so I'm not sure anyone needs to be careful besides people thinking they are worth more than they are.... anyone is replaceable....that's reality. Oh and by the way..... i do this site for free. I have actually spent more on POTY awards, hosting, and maintenance, not including the hours i have put into making and up keeping the site that are free of charge. I personally think that salary is about right because I feel it's important that parents, players, coaches, and clubs to have a place to talk soccer. If I thought I deserved a salary the simple fact is I'd have to shut the site down. We need more people who remember soccer and youth sports in general are about the kids...it's not about making tons of $$$$$$.  |
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2010, 11:06:31 AM » |
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How much did the ED and State DOC make before these folks were hired?
Did they get cars and health benefits as well or are these perks new?
Is what Soccer Wonk pointed out true i.e. that the board has to ok any pay increases?
What is the source for this info?
Lefty, already posted on another thread.... (Top Salary = Salary + Benefits) California Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 6,288,925 Year 2008 Top Salary: $ 84,000 Karl Dewzien Oregon Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 2,326,031 Year 2008 Top Salary: $ 71,596 James Conway Washington Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 2,729,699 Year 2007 Top Salary: $ 66,649 David Schumacher Idaho Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 471,977 Year 2009 Top Salary: $ 38,163 Steve Adlard Hawaii Youth Soccer Association Revenue $ 756,922 Year 2009 Top Salary: $ 0 Scott Keopuhiwa Kudos to Hawaii being an all volunteer organization!! Now please answer the other questions re health benefits and cars. I'm not really arguing one way or the other, just trying to separate out the facts from the characterization of the facts. Please provide the source info for the current salaries, expenses etc. as well. |
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2010, 03:05:43 PM » |
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Once you start a pay to play system, such as WSYSA, that is responsible for signficant funds, you need qualified people to make decisons. There will always be great people doing volunteer work, but in some positions you need employees who's first priority is the institution. Most volunteers can't make that commitment. I have no problem with our pay to play system, it is the landscape of youth soccer. By the same token my 10 yr olds tackle football team is coached by a 10 yr. NFL vet. and two college players for a yearly fee of $85. That is the youth football landscape, not better not worse just different.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2010, 03:25:35 PM » |
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The compensation for the State people is entirely in line with the entire PDL/RCL/Seamless Soccer program advocated by the PDL DoCs and their supporters. So why are they whining about the state people, just because they are currently getting more than the PDL people?
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2010, 04:33:45 PM » |
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Once you start a pay to play system, such as WSYSA, that is responsible for signficant funds, you need qualified people to make decisons. There will always be great people doing volunteer work, but in some positions you need employees who's first priority is the institution. Most volunteers can't make that commitment. I have no problem with our pay to play system, it is the landscape of youth soccer. By the same token my 10 yr olds tackle football team is coached by a 10 yr. NFL vet. and two college players for a yearly fee of $85. That is the youth football landscape, not better not worse just different.
My point exactly. WSYSA is a business and competent leadership who strive to enrich and advance the organization should be rewarded accordingly. When it is being controlled by someone whose only goal seems to be milking it dry before moving on to greener pastures the compensation these guys are receiving becomes something less than appropriate. As example Fischer paying the D/C to travel out of state to generate personal income is not beneficial to the organizations goals to advance the sport in Washington State. To answer some of the other questions . Prior to Fischer being hired the organization owned a Pontiac G6 and a Hummer H3 which were shared among the employees for various "official" purposes. The previous E/D received approximately $85,000 per year and Insurance as well as shared use of company vehicles. I will find out the exact amounts of both the previous E/D and D/C's compensation and post them. As to whining about the amounts of compensation if these guys were competent I would applaud them receiving $ 250.000 a year if that's what it took to advance the organization and the sport. At the risk of repeating myself that is currently not the case. As to the source the information is coming from a number of individuals and I stand by the accuracy of their statements. |
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2010, 04:47:08 PM » |
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Fly,
Do you have info that WSYSA paid for GW to travel to UK?
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2010, 04:47:38 PM » |
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It's been quite a while since I've on this site, then I see this discussion...unbelievable...
If you don't have the guts to post your sources, then we should all assume they are the same people who still claim we never landed on the moon and the whole thing was staged at Universal Studios.
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2010, 05:20:18 PM » |
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It's been quite a while since I've on this site, then I see this discussion...unbelievable...
If you don't have the guts to post your sources, then we should all assume they are the same people who still claim we never landed on the moon and the whole thing was staged at Universal Studios.
Presumably there are many insiders reading this blog, but nobody in this thread has disputed the accuracy of the information - that's significant. On the contrary, the WYS partisans have been justifying the high expenses. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2010, 05:28:44 PM » |
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Isn't that the point, how can anyone dispute it if we don't know the source? How would anyone know unless you are on the board itself? I won't bother to try and justify anything until I know we are actually talking facts.
But I won't go on a blog undentified and make accusations without proof knowing that this kind of talk only stirs up those who think there is a conspiricy around every corner. So provide facts, not accusations, then let's talk.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2010, 06:10:40 PM » |
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Isn't that the point, how can anyone dispute it if we don't know the source? How would anyone know unless you are on the board itself? I won't bother to try and justify anything until I know we are actually talking facts.
But I won't go on a blog undentified and make accusations without proof knowing that this kind of talk only stirs up those who think there is a conspiricy around every corner. So provide facts, not accusations, then let's talk.
The point is that he has provided facts - which don't appear to be in dispute. And as I'm sure you are well aware, wanting to make more money and padding expense accounts are not the type of thing to require wild conspiracy theories. If FlyOnTheWall deserves criticism, it is because he has not substantiated the allegations of incompetence. I wish he would. |
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Isn't that the point, how can anyone dispute it if we don't know the source? How would anyone know unless you are on the board itself? I won't bother to try and justify anything until I know we are actually talking facts.
But I won't go on a blog undentified and make accusations without proof knowing that this kind of talk only stirs up those who think there is a conspiricy around every corner. So provide facts, not accusations, then let's talk.
You can look up past filings on guidestar...... it is public information since they are non-profit. I can't verify flyonthewalls stuff, but will look later. The stuff i said I have looked up before and it's not pretty. |
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2010, 07:03:17 PM » |
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Isn't that the point, how can anyone dispute it if we don't know the source? How would anyone know unless you are on the board itself? I won't bother to try and justify anything until I know we are actually talking facts.
But I won't go on a blog undentified and make accusations without proof knowing that this kind of talk only stirs up those who think there is a conspiricy around every corner. So provide facts, not accusations, then let's talk.
The point is that he has provided facts - which don't appear to be in dispute. And as I'm sure you are well aware, wanting to make more money and padding expense accounts are not the type of thing to require wild conspiracy theories. If FlyOnTheWall deserves criticism, it is because he has not substantiated the allegations of incompetence. I wish he would. Technically, we don't know that they are facts. He has made assertions, but he didn't cite his sources and no one else has claimed to verify them. Moreover, he made a few misstatements so I'm not sure that we can take it all as Gospel. If it is true, those who pay the state (which isn't me, and longer), may well want to make some noise about it. But someone with an interest in the topic may want to perform some fact checking. Also, while it is possible that state insiders are reading this thread, I don't know how anyone knows for sure that they are, or that those reading are in possession of all relevant facts. |
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2010, 07:05:59 PM » |
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Isn't that the point, how can anyone dispute it if we don't know the source? How would anyone know unless you are on the board itself? I won't bother to try and justify anything until I know we are actually talking facts.
But I won't go on a blog undentified and make accusations without proof knowing that this kind of talk only stirs up those who think there is a conspiricy around every corner. So provide facts, not accusations, then let's talk.
The point is that he has provided facts - which don't appear to be in dispute. And as I'm sure you are well aware, wanting to make more money and padding expense accounts are not the type of thing to require wild conspiracy theories. If FlyOnTheWall deserves criticism, it is because he has not substantiated the allegations of incompetence. I wish he would. Technically, we don't know that they are facts. He has made assertions, but he didn't cite his sources and no one else has claimed to verify them. Moreover, he made a few misstatements so I'm not sure that we can take it all as Gospel. If it is true, those who pay the state (which isn't me, and longer), may well want to make some noise about it. But someone with an interest in the topic may want to perform some fact checking. Also, while it is possible that state insiders are reading this thread, I don't know how anyone knows for sure that they are, or that those reading are in possession of all relevant facts. They can feel free to email the site facts...... nothing stops them from doing so and if what fly said is wrong it would benefit them to tell the facts and crush the rumors. It's a pretty simple solution to be honest. Off to training now...maybe after I'll look some of their junk up. |
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2010, 11:30:18 PM » |
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I have had a little experience running orginizations like this one, and with the cost of living on the west side, I wouldn't touch that job for $120K. I have no idea about the politics of the situation but the pay is not out of line.
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2010, 01:37:46 PM » |
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How much did the ED and State DOC make before these folks were hired?
Did they get cars and health benefits as well or are these perks new?
Is what Soccer Wonk pointed out true i.e. that the board has to ok any pay increases?
What is the source for this info?
Old ED made $85,000 at resignation/termination Insurance Shared company vehicle Old D/C made $65,000 Insurance Shared company vehicle In what most of us would consider a "normal" corporate structure the board would have to approve these types of expenses. Washington Youth Soccer does not operate under this model. Fischer's title is ED/CEO. It is my understanding that this distinction gives him wide latitude financially and that he and the Board President are the only parties privy to these agreements. To my knowledge the board did not approve Fischer's compensation package, the retroactive raise, the additional 25,000 June 1st raise or the recent signing of a 5 year contract. |
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