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The North Puget Sound League (NPSL) Fall Registration is Open Below is link for the Fall NPSL site. http://www.northpugetsoundleague.orgThe announcement for the 2010 NPSL Fall League is at: http://www.northpugetsoundleague.org/files/NPSL_2010LeagueLaunchAnnouncement-20100625.pdf The NPSL has expanded its league to cover U11 through U18. As part of the 2010 season offerings, the NPSL has also launched a Girls U15-U18 Winter Season commencing after conclusion of Girls fall high school play. Details can be found at: http://www.northpugetsoundleague.org/files/NPSL_2010EnhancedGirlsLeagueSupport-20100625.pdf. |
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 08:15:11 AM » |
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Between pspl, rcl and npsl aree there going to be any teams left to form this open state league at girls high school age? Pspl just sent out another email detailing their ghs seasons with multiple levels. They are making a very strong push and value arguement for any team not part of the cartel why they should shift to pspl (even providing an eastern WA based league).
Rcl remains the pdl with no changes.
Npsl and diii work together to offer fall and winter leagues to ghs teams in western WA that aren't part of the cartel and don't want to travel to eastern WA.
What's left for this open league?
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 08:35:32 AM » |
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now this is a way to get around the state cartel league. You do this league and now you can officially enter the state cup for US Youth. This should give a boost to the PSPL- great job by the associations as they begin to see the writing on the wall that the state is really trying to eliminate them. State needs to get out of the league business
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 08:48:16 AM » |
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The North Puget Sound League is really not a new league but a shift of teams between the former District 3 league and the District 1 league.
Regarding the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa league. They claim to have 70 teams for the Eastern Washington Copa league but I have yet to see a list. The District 6 league in its best year fielded about 150 teams ... last count I did was nearly 130 registered for this fall .
Regarding the Regional Cartel League ... I heard of at least two non Cartel teams that sent in their application and have been admitted to the league for next season based on their performance on the field.
A question yet to be answered ... Will the RCL place their U13-14 C-Z teams and under performing U15+ teams into the Open league?
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 09:22:58 AM » |
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The North Puget Sound League is really not a new league but a shift of teams between the former District 3 league and the District 1 league.
Regarding the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa league. They claim to have 70 teams for the Eastern Washington Copa league but I have yet to see a list. The District 6 league in its best year fielded about 150 teams ... last count I did was nearly 130 registered for this fall .
Regarding the Regional Cartel League ... I heard of at least two non Cartel teams that sent in their application and have been admitted to the league for next season based on their performance on the field.
A question yet to be answered ... Will the RCL place their U13-14 C-Z teams and under performing U15+ teams into the Open league?
I know the NPSL is not a new league, but it now expands to the older ages that was my point- Okay so you "heard" that 2 non pdl teams were accepted into the RCL and then you take complain about hearing from PSPL about the teams they have, but not seeing it on a list? I am a bit confused- so on one hand it is okay for you to "hear" something from RCL and believe it, but it is not okay for you to "hear" something from PSPL to believe it? Not bashing you, just letting you know this could be seen as bashing the PSPL  |
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 09:38:16 AM » |
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The North Puget Sound League is really not a new league but a shift of teams between the former District 3 league and the District 1 league.
Regarding the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa league. They claim to have 70 teams for the Eastern Washington Copa league but I have yet to see a list. The District 6 league in its best year fielded about 150 teams ... last count I did was nearly 130 registered for this fall .
Regarding the Regional Cartel League ... I heard of at least two non Cartel teams that sent in their application and have been admitted to the league for next season based on their performance on the field.
A question yet to be answered ... Will the RCL place their U13-14 C-Z teams and under performing U15+ teams into the Open league?
I know the NPSL is not a new league, but it now expands to the older ages that was my point- Okay so you "heard" that 2 non pdl teams were accepted into the RCL and then you take complain about hearing from PSPL about the teams they have, but not seeing it on a list? I am a bit confused- so on one hand it is okay for you to "hear" something from RCL and believe it, but it is not okay for you to "hear" something from PSPL to believe it? Not bashing you, just letting you know this could be seen as bashing the PSPL Just wait for a bit and you will see some real bashing of the PSPL AND RCL by its respective members. I don't know if you ever read any of the old Southern Cal forum posts, but teams from rival leagues were trash talking like crazy. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 09:42:43 AM » |
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The North Puget Sound League is really not a new league but a shift of teams between the former District 3 league and the District 1 league.
Regarding the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa league. They claim to have 70 teams for the Eastern Washington Copa league but I have yet to see a list. The District 6 league in its best year fielded about 150 teams ... last count I did was nearly 130 registered for this fall .
Regarding the Regional Cartel League ... I heard of at least two non Cartel teams that sent in their application and have been admitted to the league for next season based on their performance on the field.
A question yet to be answered ... Will the RCL place their U13-14 C-Z teams and under performing U15+ teams into the Open league?
I know the NPSL is not a new league, but it now expands to the older ages that was my point- Okay so you "heard" that 2 non pdl teams were accepted into the RCL and then you take complain about hearing from PSPL about the teams they have, but not seeing it on a list? I am a bit confused- so on one hand it is okay for you to "hear" something from RCL and believe it, but it is not okay for you to "hear" something from PSPL to believe it? Not bashing you, just letting you know this could be seen as bashing the PSPL Just wait for a bit and you will see some real bashing of the PSPL AND RCL by its respective members. I don't know if you ever read any of the old Southern Cal forum posts, but teams from rival leagues were trash talking like crazy. I barely have time to read this forum anymore- To busy with the club teams, work and an educational soccer project that I hope will help our soccer community. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 09:44:20 AM » |
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The North Puget Sound League is really not a new league but a shift of teams between the former District 3 league and the District 1 league.
Regarding the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa league. They claim to have 70 teams for the Eastern Washington Copa league but I have yet to see a list. The District 6 league in its best year fielded about 150 teams ... last count I did was nearly 130 registered for this fall .
Regarding the Regional Cartel League ... I heard of at least two non Cartel teams that sent in their application and have been admitted to the league for next season based on their performance on the field.
A question yet to be answered ... Will the RCL place their U13-14 C-Z teams and under performing U15+ teams into the Open league?
I know the NPSL is not a new league, but it now expands to the older ages that was my point- Okay so you "heard" that 2 non pdl teams were accepted into the RCL and then you take complain about hearing from PSPL about the teams they have, but not seeing it on a list? I am a bit confused- so on one hand it is okay for you to "hear" something from RCL and believe it, but it is not okay for you to "hear" something from PSPL to believe it? Not bashing you, just letting you know this could be seen as bashing the PSPL Just wait for a bit and you will see some real bashing of the PSPL AND RCL by its respective members. I don't know if you ever read any of the old Southern Cal forum posts, but teams from rival leagues were trash talking like crazy. I barely have time to read this forum anymore- To busy with the club teams, work and an educational soccer project that I hope will help our soccer community. I think you can definitely do more......  |
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 09:45:13 AM » |
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Another league......oh why not...choice is everything, as long as it's open to all.  |
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 10:10:26 AM » |
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Is NPSL open to teams from outside of district 1 & 2?
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 10:12:16 AM » |
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Is NPSL open to teams from outside of district 1 & 2?
No clue...... maybe it's only open to those within those districts. Good question |
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 10:53:27 AM » |
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The North Puget Sound League is really not a new league but a shift of teams between the former District 3 league and the District 1 league.
Regarding the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa league. They claim to have 70 teams for the Eastern Washington Copa league but I have yet to see a list. The District 6 league in its best year fielded about 150 teams ... last count I did was nearly 130 registered for this fall .
Regarding the Regional Cartel League ... I heard of at least two non Cartel teams that sent in their application and have been admitted to the league for next season based on their performance on the field.
A question yet to be answered ... Will the RCL place their U13-14 C-Z teams and under performing U15+ teams into the Open league?
I know the NPSL is not a new league, but it now expands to the older ages that was my point- Okay so you "heard" that 2 non pdl teams were accepted into the RCL and then you take complain about hearing from PSPL about the teams they have, but not seeing it on a list? I am a bit confused- so on one hand it is okay for you to "hear" something from RCL and believe it, but it is not okay for you to "hear" something from PSPL to believe it? Not bashing you, just letting you know this could be seen as bashing the PSPL I have confirmation from two sources on the two non PDL teams who were accepted  I am happy that teams that deserve to play in the highest league now will have the opportunity to do so. I have no problem with the westside PSPL ... I know if I enter a team in that league they will have enough teams to form a good league. Since February of this year all I have heard on this side of the mountains is that "Everyone is joining US Club" ... "This club or that clubs board have voted to go 100% US Club" ... 70 teams have committed (averages only 4 teams per gender age group). Telephone calls to surrounding clubs have not confirmed what the marketing has been saying. The reasons I hear most from people joining the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa League is that people are pissed at something or someone. Spokane Scotties left WSYSA because they were pissed at the Shadow Unification Agreement ... that decision has cost them a lot of teams who decided not to follow. Others are pissed at WSYSA, RCL, Shadow, Terry Fisher ... take your pick. I have not heard anyone say they were moving to the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa League because it was a "better league". My previous experience with an Eastern Washington US Club Soccer League back in Spring 2008 leads me to be very sceptical. Unlike others in Eastern Washington I do not have an issue with WSYSA, RCL or PSPL. I prefer not gambling with my teams nor use them to make a political statement |
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2010, 10:53:31 AM » |
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Is NPSL open to teams from outside of district 1 & 2?
In reading the document it is for districts 1-4 |
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 10:59:35 AM » |
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The North Puget Sound League is really not a new league but a shift of teams between the former District 3 league and the District 1 league.
Regarding the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa league. They claim to have 70 teams for the Eastern Washington Copa league but I have yet to see a list. The District 6 league in its best year fielded about 150 teams ... last count I did was nearly 130 registered for this fall .
Regarding the Regional Cartel League ... I heard of at least two non Cartel teams that sent in their application and have been admitted to the league for next season based on their performance on the field.
A question yet to be answered ... Will the RCL place their U13-14 C-Z teams and under performing U15+ teams into the Open league?
I know the NPSL is not a new league, but it now expands to the older ages that was my point- Okay so you "heard" that 2 non pdl teams were accepted into the RCL and then you take complain about hearing from PSPL about the teams they have, but not seeing it on a list? I am a bit confused- so on one hand it is okay for you to "hear" something from RCL and believe it, but it is not okay for you to "hear" something from PSPL to believe it? Not bashing you, just letting you know this could be seen as bashing the PSPL I have confirmation from two sources on the two non PDL teams who were accepted I am happy that teams that deserve to play in the highest league now will have the opportunity to do so. I have no problem with the westside PSPL ... I know if I enter a team in that league they will have enough teams to form a good league. Since February of this year all I have heard on this side of the mountains is that "Everyone is joining US Club" ... "This club or that clubs board have voted to go 100% US Club" ... 70 teams have committed (averages only 4 teams per gender age group). Telephone calls to surrounding clubs have not confirmed what the marketing has been saying. The reasons I hear most from people joining the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa League is that people are pissed at something or someone. Spokane Scotties left WSYSA because they were pissed at the Shadow Unification Agreement ... that decision has cost them a lot of teams who decided not to follow. Others are pissed at WSYSA, RCL, Shadow, Terry Fisher ... take your pick. I have not heard anyone say they were moving to the PSPL Eastern Washington Copa League because it was a "better league". My previous experience with an Eastern Washington US Club Soccer League back in Spring 2008 leads me to very sceptical. Unlike others in Eastern Washington I do not have an issue with WSYSA, RCL or PSPL. I prefer not gambling with my teams nor use them to make a political statement as long as you are happy, then I am happy |
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2010, 11:14:46 AM » |
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Is NPSL open to teams from outside of district 1 & 2?
In reading the document it is for districts 1-4 Not doubting you, but I'm not seeing anything that says for sure. The league launch announcement ( http://www.northpugetsoundleague.org/files/NPSL_2010LeagueLaunchAnnouncement-20100625.pdf talks about the GIrls U15-U18 including D3 & D4, however, it only mentions D1 & D2 when talking about league fees. Meanwhile, on the npsl registration page it only includes instructions for D1 and D2 participants. So, if you could point me towards the right document, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2010, 11:30:46 AM » |
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Is NPSL open to teams from outside of district 1 & 2?
In reading the document it is for districts 1-4 Not doubting you, but I'm not seeing anything that says for sure. The league launch announcement ( http://www.northpugetsoundleague.org/files/NPSL_2010LeagueLaunchAnnouncement-20100625.pdf talks about the GIrls U15-U18 including D3 & D4, however, it only mentions D1 & D2 when talking about league fees. Meanwhile, on the npsl registration page it only includes instructions for D1 and D2 participants. So, if you could point me towards the right document, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Okay so I grabbed this from the link you provided, so unless I am reading it wrong it includes 1-4. registration generally happens at the association level, so 3-4 probably need to have the option on their registration form Choice of Late Fall/Winter Season or Fall Season for Girls HS Teams -- The NPSL has decided to provide two distinct options to its Girls HS age teams (U15-U18). The NPSL is adjusting the 10-match Girls U15-U18 league season to start in mid-November at the conclusion of HS soccer (registration in September). The purpose of the season modification is to allow the GU15-18 girls to participate in their high school soccer teams without having to play for their club teams at the same time. It is recognized that some Girls HS age teams prefer fall play. For that reason, the NPSL has established a collaborative arrangement with District III’s league so those District I and II Girls U15-U18 teams wishing to continue to play in the fall season will be placed by their Districts into the District III Select League. Conversely, the NPSL Late Fall/Winter League Option will
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 11:40:03 AM » |
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Right. I got the girls U15-U18 group. But I am also wondering about the Boys U11-U18 and Girls U11-U14. It is entirely possible that I have not had enough coffee today and I could just be dense. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2010, 12:27:42 PM » |
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My understanding is the NPSL is run by the member associations of D1 and D2. For the benefit of the older age brackets, the NPSL is now reaching out to D3 to collaborate in areas that are mutually beneficial. See mention of both girls GU15-GU18 and boys older ages.
This year there appears to be a willingness by the NPSL to welcome D3 and D4 teams in PROVIDED these teams follow the proper protocol by their host districts and are approved by their host districts. As an example, any D3 teams interested in playing in NPSL should start the process with a request to their association registrar who requests approval from D3. In talking with league organizers, it appears the NPSL will want this process to be followed to ensure both leagues are collaborating and neither is robbing the other of teams and damaging the respective play venues.
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2010, 12:31:44 PM » |
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That makes sense. Thanks. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2010, 12:50:58 PM » |
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My understanding is the NPSL is run by the member associations of D1 and D2. For the benefit of the older age brackets, the NPSL is now reaching out to D3 to collaborate in areas that are mutually beneficial. See mention of both girls GU15-GU18 and boys older ages.
This year there appears to be a willingness by the NPSL to welcome D3 and D4 teams in PROVIDED these teams follow the proper protocol by their host districts and are approved by their host districts. As an example, any D3 teams interested in playing in NPSL should start the process with a request to their association registrar who requests approval from D3. In talking with league organizers, it appears the NPSL will want this process to be followed to ensure both leagues are collaborating and neither is robbing the other of teams and damaging the respective play venues.
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2010, 12:58:40 PM » |
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Yes, some, by design. Keep in mind last summer when the D1 and D2 member associations launched the NPSL they said it was formed as a league in large part to have not only like-v-like but also to do it in a way to keep travel times down. While NPSL welcomes D3 and D4 squads that are ok'd by the host districts, the viability of the D3 League needs to be respected as well so those teams in that league are not adversely impacted by this other league. So, yes, some discrimination but, right or wrong, my understanding is they are doing it to be a good neighbor to the other leagues.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2010, 01:23:38 PM » |
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So, if one of the goals is to reduce travel time, would the D1 and D2 teams be irked if they had to travel to D4 or even D3?
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2010, 01:57:55 PM » |
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Suspect some will and some will not, depending upon where they reside.
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2010, 03:09:11 PM » |
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Isn't this a bit ironic.
A larger number teams who played in the NPSL league last year, where teams that played in District 3 the previous years.
Now after one year they are finding ways to invite District 3 teams to travel north to play them?
The new question would be, why did they leave the District 3 league in the first place?
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2010, 03:23:50 PM » |
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Isn't this a bit ironic.
A larger number teams who played in the NPSL league last year, where teams that played in District 3 the previous years.
Now after one year they are finding ways to invite District 3 teams to travel north to play them?
The new question would be, why did they leave the District 3 league in the first place?
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2010, 03:38:47 PM » |
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Isn't this a bit ironic.
A larger number teams who played in the NPSL league last year, where teams that played in District 3 the previous years.
Now after one year they are finding ways to invite District 3 teams to travel north to play them?
The new question would be, why did they leave the District 3 league in the first place?
It is ironic ... the District 3 league used to be the most competitive IDL in the state. I wonder if eventually the NPSL will include all teams in District 1 - 4 ... Top Divison travels the entire territory ... Below that have a North and Southern Division. D2 can go either north or south And below the Regional Club/Open League we have ... District 5 -> Portland Metro League District 1-4 -> NPSL District 6 But what do we do with District 7? |
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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2010, 03:41:38 PM » |
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Suspect some will and some will not, depending upon where they reside.
That's what I would expect. Thanks. |
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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2010, 04:14:45 PM » |
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Firedog is spot on. My recollection from last year was that the NPSL was formed in partnership between D1 and D2 member associations to address a lack of select teams left in D1 and other D2 matters. The situation in D1 was that its select league was near extinction with the combination of State Leagues and the number of D1 PDL clubs, the growth of tier counts (teams) and the progressive expansion of PDL to older ages. The reality was that either a league with a bigger geographic pool get formed or a select league would not be available.
D2 had other goals that were mutually achieved through the NPSL.
My understanding is that there is no interest in expanding the NPSL to take over existing leagues. There is interest in collaborating with D3 where it makes sense (refer to this year's releases). There is sufficient strength in the NPSL currently to give member teams good games without trying to pull D3 and D4 teams to the NPSL. Having a strong D3 League is in both leagues' best interest long term. Doing joint activities between the two leagues at the older ages makes sense as team counts dwindle. There is no need to make another equivalent to a state league by covering half the state's player base with a single league.
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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2010, 04:16:20 PM » |
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Yes, some, by design. Keep in mind last summer when the D1 and D2 member associations launched the NPSL they said it was formed as a league in large part to have not only like-v-like but also to do it in a way to keep travel times down. While NPSL welcomes D3 and D4 squads that are ok'd by the host districts, the viability of the D3 League needs to be respected as well so those teams in that league are not adversely impacted by this other league. So, yes, some discrimination but, right or wrong, my understanding is they are doing it to be a good neighbor to the other leagues.
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2010, 05:12:48 PM » |
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My understanding is that there is no interest in expanding the NPSL to take over existing leagues. There is interest in collaborating with D3 where it makes sense (refer to this year's releases). There is sufficient strength in the NPSL currently to give member teams good games without trying to pull D3 and D4 teams to the NPSL. Having a strong D3 League is in both leagues' best interest long term. Doing joint activities between the two leagues at the older ages makes sense as team counts dwindle. There is no need to make another equivalent to a state league by covering half the state's player base with a single league.
Having a strong D3 league would be nice ... however between the PDL and NPSL it is far weaker than it was in the past. The NPSL is a competitive youth soccer league that:
- Allows select teams to play in a league that makes geographic-sense and is not limited by District or Association boundaries
- Allows select teams to play in a league that is economical in both cost and time
- Is structured to ensure “like or comparable” competition.If the NPSL is not limited by District boundaries why not include District 3 & 4? Would it not make better geographic sense to have teams in the lower portion of District 2 play teams in District 3? The bigger the pool ... the easier it is to find like vs like and to reduce travel costs. |
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