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« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2010, 03:14:47 AM » |
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>>>>I do think player cards should be introduced at the district level ... after the fall season tweak the system if it needs to be before the spring season.<<<
Futsal, for years I have been told that D-6 is going to use player cards. Some seasons, we have even done, as I recall. Often, we have been told that we will use them THIS SEASON and then that is rescinded "becaue Association X and Club Y never got their paperwork done".
You lost me here. We have required player cards in our league for years now. But my point is that we need to ensure that kids move down for the right reasons, not to over inflate a lower team's record. I'm all for letting a player move as much as needed to help the player or give a smaller club more of a flexible roster but not so a club can send down some studs to boost the record of the second or third team. |
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« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2010, 09:24:10 PM » |
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Actually most of the player pass usage I've seen is so premier clubs can form a D or E team even if they don't have enough legitimate players to fill out a squad. Then they use the player card to borrow players from other teams each and every week in order to field a team. Ive seen several teams roster 10 players and borrow each and every week Why? The altruistic say it's because they don't want to deprive some players of the premier experience, the jaded say it's because it's another paid coaching position and more $ for the club. You decide...
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« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2010, 09:00:36 PM » |
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Actually most of the player pass usage I've seen is so premier clubs can form a D or E team even if they don't have enough legitimate players to fill out a squad. Then they use the player card to borrow players from other teams each and every week in order to field a team. Ive seen several teams roster 10 players and borrow each and every week Why? The altruistic say it's because they don't want to deprive some players of the premier experience, the jaded say it's because it's another paid coaching position and more $ for the club. You decide...
New Kid on the Block recently mentioned a club doing this with a "B" team. Perhaps the motivation was to just give the kids the premier experience, but seems like there are plenty of Select teams around that could probably take a player or two, and offer a great experience especially for a "B" or lower level player. Seems like it would be a better experience for the kid to actually be on a full team, bonding, learning and working together rather than on a team with guests coming and going every week. Especially for younger ages. |
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« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2010, 10:30:46 AM » |
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Over 200 D1 & D2 select teams are now registered for Washington Youth Soccer sanctioned 2010 NPSL Fall League play.
This now represents one of the highest concentration of select teams playing in a well-defined geographic area outside of those in the RCL (translation: family convenience and an equally convenient cost point).
Team listings will be posted shortly.
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« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2010, 04:00:32 PM » |
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The league posted the list this morning. http://www.northpugetsoundleague.org/RegistrationStatus-2010.htmlAs of today, 205 teams, up over 20% from inaugural season. All located in the north puget sound region. Select team concentration at these ages is 2nd only to the PDL/RCL in this region, double the size of any other league servicing this region of the state. |
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« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2010, 11:18:16 PM » |
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... double the size of any other league servicing this region of the state.
What are some of the other leagues teams could choose to play in "servicing this region of the state." |
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« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2010, 12:04:06 AM » |
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NPSL is "servicing" Seattle United. Looks like half the league is Seattle United playing Seattle United.
I thought SU was an RCL...?
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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2010, 12:27:33 AM » |
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Seattle United is both Premier and Select servicing all competitive teams in the largest association in the State.
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« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2010, 01:16:35 AM » |
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Seattle United is both Premier and Select servicing all competitive teams in the largest association in the State.
They must be being told where they can play like the Crossfire select teams are. There is not one SU team in the WYS state league... no Crossfire teams either. |
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« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2010, 01:59:02 AM » |
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Just checked registration sites ... There are Crossfire Select teams in the NPSL, in the State league and in the PSPL. There are Seattle United teams in the NPSL, State league and in the RCL. Comes down to what is best place and level for the teams to play.
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« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2010, 02:08:15 AM » |
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NPSL is "servicing" Seattle United. Looks like half the league is Seattle United playing Seattle United.
I thought SU was an RCL...?
Maybe SU's probationary status means they cannot put many teams into the RCL this year. |
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« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2010, 02:43:34 AM » |
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Just checked registration sites ... There are Crossfire Select teams in the NPSL, in the State league and in the PSPL. There are Seattle United teams in the NPSL, State league and in the RCL. Comes down to what is best place and level for the teams to play.
Can you link us to the RCL site that shows the teams? Not the clubs, the teams, the divisions. I'm sure the CAP has them placed perfectly... but I'd still like to see how the leagues pan out. WYS? BU18 is the only league SU is playing in the WYS league, that's a little strange if teams can pick for themselves. BU18 have little choice where to play, there's only a few dozen teams in the state. Neither club has a U17 or a U16 playing in the state league. Lol. One team from SU or Crossfire plays PSPL. Farzeen... he had to fight tooth and nail to get out of the NPSL and into the PSPL where he could find like competition. He even had to play up to U15 in the Crossfire tournament because nobody wanted to play his team. He won that a year up. DII did a disservice to their best non PDL teams to force them into the NPSL. |
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« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2010, 02:50:37 AM » |
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Please recheck the state league listings.
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« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2010, 09:40:32 AM » |
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Who is North Sound? I am drawing a blank, but it is early. They have some teams in the younger ages, mostly girls.
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« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2010, 09:43:28 AM » |
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wow! I have really been out of it. West Seattle Jets? FC Alliance Select? NSC and a Silver Lake? Where are all these Select clubs coming from?
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« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2010, 09:52:49 AM » |
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wow! I have really been out of it. West Seattle Jets? FC Alliance Select? NSC and a Silver Lake? Where are all these Select clubs coming from?
Rec  NPSL is "servicing" Seattle United. Looks like half the league is Seattle United playing Seattle United.
I thought SU was an RCL...?
I noticed this as well. Along with Crossfire Select - its this group that seems to say what type of competition this league will be. |
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« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2010, 11:14:41 AM » |
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NPSL is "servicing" Seattle United. Looks like half the league is Seattle United playing Seattle United.
I thought SU was an RCL...?
Maybe SU's probationary status means they cannot put many teams into the RCL this year. It's not that. SU has "City wide Premier" teams that will participate in the RCL and "Regional Select" teams that participate in district leagues or the equivalent. Remember that a number of clubs that used to operate independently are now part of Seattle United(Westside United for example) participated in leagues like NPSL previously. |
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« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2010, 12:05:56 PM » |
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Seattle United is a money making monopoly. Competitive Rec. Level teams who once were independents and wanted autonomy (from ECFC) are now forced to play under the Seattle United banner or play in the PSPL. An independent team cannot play select soccer in Seattle until U-15. All kids in Seattle (U11-U14) who want to play more competitive soccer must try out. Based on their ability and family commitment, these kids are assigned by SU to play either Premier or Select. Seattle United determines the coaches and players for all teams. The cost is double for those who are playing select level soccer (NPSL) from what an average team paid last yr. One team I know spent $800 on an” A” level coach, uniforms, etc . . . . last yr. to play in the NPSL. This year the cost for a similar team is $1500, but with a D coach. The NPSL may keep their registration fees down but Seattle United is making money from charging parents for coaching, uniforms, fields, etc. The reason there are so many teams now playing for SU in the NPSL is because there are a lot of Seattle families that want to bolster the self-esteem of their kids by having them wear a Seattle United Adidas uniform. Most of the kids playing in the NSPL are average in ability or they are kids who could play premier but play other sports and want balance in their lives. The more teams the more money for Seattle United. Forget soccer in Seattle being elitist it is now about entitlement. Premier and Select Soccer Options in Seattle Age Level of play Options[/b
]U15 and above Premier Seattle United (Copa and Tango) Only 2 teams per age/gender RCL
U15 and above Select Seattle United/Independent team WSYSL, PSPL or NPSL
U14-U11 Premier Seattle United (Copa and Tango) Only 2 teams per age/gender RCL
U14-U9 Select Independent team
(If you are an independent team in Seattle you cannot play in the WSYSL or the NPSL) PSPL
U14-U13 Select Seattle United WSYSL or NPSL
U12-U11 Select Seattle United NPSL
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« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2010, 01:04:14 PM » |
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Thus speaketh the shill for Seattle Soccer Academy/PSPL, who himself has a personal, and perhaps financial interest in discrediting Seattle United. You are free to opt out, my friend, but spare us your posturing and armchair sociology.
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« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2010, 02:40:50 PM » |
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Seattle United is a money making monopoly. Competitive Rec. Level teams who once were independents and wanted autonomy (from ECFC) are now forced to play under the Seattle United banner or play in the PSPL. An independent team cannot play select soccer in Seattle until U-15. All kids in Seattle (U11-U14) who want to play more competitive soccer must try out. Based on their ability and family commitment, these kids are assigned by SU to play either Premier or Select. Seattle United determines the coaches and players for all teams. The cost is double for those who are playing select level soccer (NPSL) from what an average team paid last yr. One team I know spent $800 on an” A” level coach, uniforms, etc . . . . last yr. to play in the NPSL. This year the cost for a similar team is $1500, but with a D coach. The NPSL may keep their registration fees down but Seattle United is making money from charging parents for coaching, uniforms, fields, etc. The reason there are so many teams now playing for SU in the NPSL is because there are a lot of Seattle families that want to bolster the self-esteem of their kids by having them wear a Seattle United Adidas uniform. Most of the kids playing in the NSPL are average in ability or they are kids who could play premier but play other sports and want balance in their lives. The more teams the more money for Seattle United. Forget soccer in Seattle being elitist it is now about entitlement. Premier and Select Soccer Options in Seattle Age Level of play Options[/b
]U15 and above Premier Seattle United (Copa and Tango) Only 2 teams per age/gender RCL
U15 and above Select Seattle United/Independent team WSYSL, PSPL or NPSL
U14-U11 Premier Seattle United (Copa and Tango) Only 2 teams per age/gender RCL
U14-U9 Select Independent team
(If you are an independent team in Seattle you cannot play in the WSYSL or the NPSL) PSPL
U14-U13 Select Seattle United WSYSL or NPSL
U12-U11 Select Seattle United NPSL
I'm confused, on the topic of costs, how are they different then any other Regional Club? |
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« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2010, 04:12:21 PM » |
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Dii didn't force anybody into NPSL. NPSL is a district select league put together to let Di and Dii limit their travel and offer the appropriate level of play to their constituents. Each association or club sets their own standards around league play and their own policies for opting to play in different leagues. For Crossfire Select, it's expected we play in NPSL, especially at the younger ages. Teams that outpace the competition that NPSL provides can go to the board and ask to play in other leagues. Some ask to go to state leagues, 1 asked to try PSPL this year. PSPL is pretty new, it's outside what the crossfire select teams usually play, the team petitioned the board and was allowed to move to that league this year. The system worked. Somebody has to break new ground, and I'm sure the next team that asks to play PSPL for competitive reasons will have an easier path to travel.
Let's not forget that both NPSL and PSPL are very new leagues and clubs and teams are still trying to feel out the level of competition, what teams are playing what league, what's the level of travel, what's the post season cup story, etc.
I know I'm excited about the growth of both npsl and PSPL as alternatives to state leagues. PSPL may turn out to be the correct league for teams to transition to if they outstrip competition at NPSL. It's increasingly unlikely that the WYS state leagues will be that transition as they have cut off this core group in order to serve the super clubs.
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« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2010, 04:32:46 PM » |
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Well said Metz! I am hearing that Crossfire Select Farzeen is disappointed in the PSPL for their placement in the PSPL Championship league and not the PSPL Super league with Crush, Slammers, Marauders and Synergy.
GU14 Super League
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Cascade FC
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Spokane Elite Jasso
SSA Saprissa Purple
MVP Marauders Navy
PSS Slammers
CB United Navy
ISC/Arsenal
CDA Sting
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Championship
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Cascade FC White
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CB United
Galaxy
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« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2010, 01:02:58 AM » |
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Well said Metz! I am hearing that Crossfire Select Farzeen is disappointed in the PSPL for their placement in the PSPL Championship league and not the PSPL Super league with Crush, Slammers, Marauders and Synergy.
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River City Reign
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Legacy FC
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I guess it would depend on which Elite teams these are in order for me to benchmark. The River City team here has a coach with a good track record, but was last in the second division of the state league. Elite teams may be the one who took second in the second division of state league and one who either took third in our district league or 6th place in our league. Perhaps others can discuss the quality of the others, but either way this is clearly not a strong division. Does the Crossfire team have a legitimate beef with a background worth bragging about? |
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« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2010, 11:57:58 AM » |
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I guess it would depend on which Elite teams these are in order for me to benchmark. The River City team here has a coach with a good track record, but was last in the second division of the state league. Elite teams may be the one who took second in the second division of state league and one who either took third in our district league or 6th place in our league. Perhaps others can discuss the quality of the others, but either way this is clearly not a strong division. Does the Crossfire team have a legitimate beef with a background worth bragging about? Correct me if I am wrong Farzeen won the Commish Cup and took 1st in the NPSL last fall...Not sure on their tournament record this summer, but it sounds like they do have legitimate concern. |
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« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2010, 03:31:10 PM » |
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I know I'm excited about the growth of both npsl and PSPL as alternatives to state leagues. PSPL may turn out to be the correct league for teams to transition to if they outstrip competition at NPSL. It's increasingly unlikely that the WYS state leagues will be that transition as they have cut off this core group in order to serve the super clubs. Tis true that every level of competition needs something beside State leagues to rely on. It seems about time the State league monopoly crumbles a bit due to healthy alternatives. |
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« Reply #85 on: July 31, 2010, 05:02:24 PM » |
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Farzeen deserves to move up, they won the Adidas Clash at the Border against the Timbers Blue in PKs and the won the Crossfire Select Cup, playing up in the G-15 Division.
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« Reply #86 on: July 31, 2010, 06:38:06 PM » |
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Farzeen deserves to move up, they won the Adidas Clash at the Border against the Timbers Blue in PKs and the won the Crossfire Select Cup, playing up in the G-15 Division.
Wow it is sad that in reality or in perception, that in order to "move up" that usclub is the only option. Here is to hoping that the NPSL can build upon it's success and build with D3 and D4 what the region needs for its teams. |
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« Reply #87 on: July 31, 2010, 07:49:02 PM » |
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They played up and won the U15 Xfire Select Cup.
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« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2010, 10:43:31 AM » |
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They played up and won the U15 Xfire Select Cup.
Does anyone else find it a bit odd that we are talking about whether a Select team should move up to what is termed "THE SUPER LEAGUE" in a league that touts it's top division as equal to the old PDL Div 1 teams? Something tells me we are not in Kansas anymore. |
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« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2010, 01:44:52 PM » |
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They played up and won the U15 Xfire Select Cup.
Does anyone else find it a bit odd that we are talking about whether a Select team should move up to what is termed "THE SUPER LEAGUE" in a league that touts it's top division as equal to the old PDL Div 1 teams? Something tells me we are not in Kansas anymore. your in Washington Lefty, home of BigClubsWin ! where our exclusive - expensive approach to soccer is serving PART of the community........soon to be even less...and proud of it...that's final. |
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